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What will King Zwelithini make of the Zulu gay wedding?

KwaZulu-Natal broke new ground recently. Two men, draped in traditional apparel, stood before family, friends and well-wishers. There was music, there was love and I imagine the good-old wedding jitters. They said “I do” and shared a kiss.

The newlyweds are Tshepo Cameron Sithole-Modisane and Thoba Calvin Sithole-Modisane. The Sithole-Modisanes are not your “ordinary” young, black males (I note the stereotype). According to their blog Tshepo holds a master of commerce degree and is a PhD candidate at the University of Johannesburg. He is a certified auditor based in Sandton. Thoba holds a BSc in computer science from the University of KwaZulu-Natal and is a systems engineer, also based in Sandton.

The pictures surfaced on the Twitterverse yesterday. As usual, the network went ballistic. The pseudo-traditionalists and “vanguards of Zulu culture” (aka: confused homophobes) dished their hate.

Against my better judgment I checked the blogs this morning. The homophobes are losing their cool. “Fusegani zinja [sic] (voetsek dogs)” wrote one angry homophobe. You can imagine how “revolutionary” he was feeling behind his keyboard.

Another homophobe who calls himself a reverend, posed a question online: “Please tell me what is African about this perverted ‘marriage’? The only thing African about this marriage is their attire. Being gay is un-African and not normal and this marriage is a damn disgrace.” The reverend’s inane argument about homosexuality being “un-African” has been addressed by qualified writers.

What caused me to write this blog are two comments I found on what appears to be a foreign blog. One commenter said: “This from the tribe of people that f*ck babies to rid themselves of Aids.”

Another commenter on the same blog wrote: “It is kinda interesting to see a bunch of Africans celebrating a gay wedding. Something tells me they are a very small minority … like every news story I’ve ever seen about the continent.”

These comments hit home. This wedding was about more than just two gay men, it was about a culture that denies itself humanity.

The Sithole-Modisanes are not the first gay couple to tie a knot and share a smooch in front of flashing cameras. In 2008, human-rights activist and founder of the Treatment Action Campaign Zackie Achmat married (his now ex-husband) Dalli Weyers in front of 300 guests at the Imperial Yacht Club near Cape Town. Justice Edwin Cameron of the Constitutional Court (a Supreme Court of Appeals judge then) officiated the ceremony. I imagine there were many more before and after.

So what makes the Sithole-Modisanes’ wedding so significant? The couple who invited the media, put up a blog and wore traditional attire, called out the Zulu monarch. By wearing traditional Zulu apparel and staging the wedding in KwaZulu-Natal, the “kingdom of the Zulus”, the brave couple threw the cards at King Goodwill Zwelithini. Now it is the king’s turn to play and we, his subjects, are watching.

Last year the king’s “gay slur” caused an international uproar. Zwelithini claimed he was misquoted and that the true meaning of his utterance was lost in translation. This is a new opportunity for him to do two things: (i) Reclaim his Zulu kingdom and (ii) undo the ghastly stereotype that Zulus are a homophobic people.

I’ve heard a few “traditionalists” say “surely the king is entitled to his opinion”. Well, no. Firstly, the king leads a “nation”, so what he utters reflects not just his opinion, but the opinion of the “kingdom”.

Secondly, we Zulus (as a cultural people) are fast losing relevance. The king himself faces imminent relegation to eternal obscurity.

Our very existence was born out of a strong belief in unity. Shaka Zulu sought to unite southern tribes. More importantly, the Zulu kingdom was born out of cultural illegitimacy. Nandi was not married to King Senzangakhona and according to custom Shaka was never entitled to the Zulu throne.

Is the king abdicating if he says nothing?

If he speaks against the wedding he would be rejecting the Constitution.

Our Zulu and African culture is not static, it does not exist in a vacuum. We also cannot say for sure that there were no Zulu homosexuals in history, they would have probably faced persecution and our history is not recorded.

The core of our belief is that human life is eternal. Each newborn is a manifestation of the ancestors. This should drive us to accept all humans, irrespective of orientation. To reject one person considered being “un-Zulu” means rejecting the whole ancestral line that came before us.

The Sithole-Modisane wedding is significant because two people took the decision to share their lives and secondly because the one person who should have been there to sanctify this new dawn was absent.

Ndabezitha!

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51 Comments

  1. Tofolux Tofolux 11 April 2013

    I dont see any significance in this marraige other than the self created MEDIA HYPE and your opportunism. Same sex relations is not a practise that is practised amongst the majority of citizens. It is a practise which is practised amongst a very small minority of our citizenry. South Africa, its laws and its citizens have been extremely accomodating and very sensitive to this practise. This compared to even the so-called first world countries. In fact our country was the first to recognise the very marraiges you now speak of. But in saying this, it is disingenuous and wrong to make the argument that these S Africans are mistreated by society in general. Yes, there are still some amongst us who have difficulty in comprehending same sex relationships but this too is not the norm. But clearly this liberal attitude of taking every opportunity to degrade us, to criticise us, begs the question. You cannot ask of us that which you do not ask of anyone else across the world. In fact, you fallaciously say that the rights of a minority group is more important than the rights of the majority. How do you balance your argument? You must admit that South Africans have gone a long way, in fact it is the only country in the world who has been this progressive in recognising the right for same sex individuals to marry. So what are you on about or is this just another trashing of SAfricans in general

  2. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 11 April 2013

    As for the Zulus unifying the Southern Tribes – you MUST be joking? The only Unifier was Moshesh – of the refugees from the Zulu General and Matabele King. And the Fingo refugees from the genocide of the Zulu Kings Shaka and Dingaan would not agree with that history either.

    Nor would John Dube, whose father was a baby on his grandmothers back when they fled from the slaughter of their tribe by the Zulu King.

    In my opinion one of the reason for the Xhosa Nostra of the ANC clinging to Mugabe, Zanu-PF and the Shona is because they are the traditional enemies of the Matebele like the Xhosa are of the Zulu.

    Which was WHY Natal was settled with Whites BETWEEN the Homelands of the Xhosa and the Zulu.

  3. The Naked Worker The Naked Worker 11 April 2013

    Very interesting piece. Thanks Brad.

  4. Momma Cyndi Momma Cyndi 11 April 2013

    Good for them!
    They certainly have shown a lot more testicular fortitude than a lot of ‘straights’.

    Being gay is not ‘un-African’ it is simply against the indoctrination of the muddled missionaries who convinced us that it is. The ones who shout loudest are normally the most sexually confused. They should come out of the closet

  5. nic batt nic batt 11 April 2013

    Thanks for the great informative article. Pity about the sad racist comments (as always) but what a couple of trail blazers.

  6. Sandile Shezi Sandile Shezi 11 April 2013

    Well done Brad! A piece well put together! I am proud of the lengths The Sithole-Modisanes went to! An inspiration to the whole lots of those afraid to show the affection because it is with the same gender and that is stereotyped as un-African!.

  7. Dave Harris Dave Harris 12 April 2013

    As much as I abhor prejudice against our LBGT brothers and sisters, foisting western style concepts onto our indigenous cultures is grossly insulting, shameful and demeaning to Africans who do not want to be drawn into this false gender/homophobic civil war.

    African history does not show any persecution of LBGT people as we see today in parts of Africa. Its only the fundamentalist Christians that have brought on this brand of violence to our continent. Read Mark Gevisser’s excellent article http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-06-04-homosexuality-and-the-battle-for-africas-soul and educate yourself first about this recent phenomenon before jumping to rash conclusions and stereotyping Africans, Zulus etc. in your tribal mindset!

  8. Derek Derek 12 April 2013

    Seriously – who cares what he thinks.

    In this day and age, there is no place for the concept of royalty. What, some “god-ordained” person should rule over us mere mortals? What utter BS.

  9. King Shaka King Shaka 12 April 2013

    This is totally un-African, never heard of it before.
    Our brothers and sisters are lost, they’ve accepted all the bad and immoral western cultures. Let’s hope one day they’ll go back to their roots…

  10. Aubrey Aubrey 12 April 2013

    ” We cannot say for sure today whether there were ever any Zulu homosexuals in our history, because they probably would have faced persecution, and because our history is not recorded.” (i quote )

    1st of all we have written history and oral history (from omkhulu no gogo bethu), i disagree with the above quote, we should have at least heard about gay men from our elders, not all african kings were as ruthless as Shaka was, how come we never heard about homosexuals even from other ethnic groups in south africa?

    Oral history was a way our elders passed on true stories and legends from one generation to the next!

    Not only is homosexuality against our african culture, it is a direct disregard to God’s law of procreation…….

  11. suntosh suntosh 12 April 2013

    Great article.

    We need to engage honestly in these debates.

  12. Sicelo Sicelo 12 April 2013

    But of course, your article is very articulate and the challenge to the amaZulu monarch unmistakable. However, in the process you make certain rather vague assumption, presumably due to the nature of arguments raised by others.

    The reality is we have all tended to miss the point of homosexuality, that it is not about humanity (and rights deriving therefrom) but more about functionality, and therefore the issue of a right to exist is not for debate, but rather the functionality of the humans in furthering their own species development. Indeed, you allude to this very core issue in your statement thus: “The core of our belief is that human life is eternal. Each newborn is a manifestation of the ancestors.”

    That latter part of the statement speaks to functionality of the human in its gender form. The question I think I should raise to drive the point is: does homosexuality lend itself to production of “newborn[s]” through which manifestations of the ancestors occur? The answer is no.

    The next question then is, is it in interest of humanity that “newborn[s]” continue with the responsibility? If not, why not? If so, how does that occur with regards homosexuality? Now, you answer that!

    Please note, this is not an expression of support or lack thereof for homosexuality but rather an explanation of one’s perception of the debate around it.

  13. Theo Maile Theo Maile 12 April 2013

    Brad, you’re entitled to your opinion, however may I remind you that the King does not need to reclaim his Zulu kingdom as he is Zulu. As you refer to him as Ndabezitha. I’m not sure how grounded are your roots? I come from a strong grounded Sesotho family tree and I would never refer to the king whether Zulu or Mosotho king the way you do. Degree or PhD’s, we have a cultural/ African way of addressing of addressing our kings in a respectable manner. I believe in freedom of choice and don’t understand why the gay couple wanted such publicity? Were they doing it as a publicity stunt, or because it was a first in the Zulu kingdom and w they wanted to dare the Monarchy?
    As you indicated it has been done before, why the was it such a big huhaa? We’ve had a lot of gay and lesbian weddings in Jhb and Cape Town and I believe in most provinces and unless the couple or one of them were a prominent figure no one cared to publisize the wedding.

  14. mosimanegape molokele mosimanegape molokele 12 April 2013

    I am happy for the couple. What I like about them is their boldness. We, the LGBT gorup, r behind u all the way. Haters can go and jump in the nuclear ocean for all I care.

  15. thandinkosi sibisi thandinkosi sibisi 12 April 2013

    @brad

    So, what is the king to make or supposed to make of this gay ” wedding”? I use the word advisedly in line with what one of the commentators has opined.What is a wedding? Is it a mere “cohabitation contract” that any two ( or
    more?) people of whatever sex can get into?

    I am almost certain someone with some imagination who happens to be ” bisexual” ( who engages in both straight and gay sex for the uninitiated) will sooner or later throw a big gig for his/ her bisexual ” wedding” and expect to get the blesding of the Zulu monarch and God forbid , the Pope as well!

    The late Margaret Thatcher in her conservative way of looking at things once opined ” a crime is a crime is a crime! ). Well , it id a free society and gay sex or any ” sex” for that matter between consenting ( human) adults is not a crime. What is the king ( or Pope) supposef to say? A gay wedding is a gay wedding is a gay wedding?

  16. Argument Argument 12 April 2013

    @Sicelo
    Your argument is flawed. If a man is sterile and cannot impregnate his wife is his functionality as a human being the same as that of a homosexual man and should he be similarly disregrded – ditto for women. More to the point is he somehow of lesser worth and “value” as a human being because of somthing that is beyond his control? Your argument seems to suggest this. As for gays and lesbians – perhaps some may choose the lifestyle but the majority dont – it chooses them. 24 years ago my son had a 2 year old friend who was clearly “gay”even at that tender age. It taught me a lesson I have never forgotten. Today he is indeed gay, much loved by us all, but his path chose him and not the other way around, despite his completely normal upbringing. In other words, he never had a chance. Should I deny him the right of a loving relationship which I take for granted? I refuse to judge something we know so little about and which one finds even amongst animals. (Yes – my male cats regularly tried to service one another – hard to explain to the kids!.), and just as heterosexuals flaunt their marriages (just watch top billing) so they too should have the right to do so should they so desire. Live and let live. We have anough unsolicited misery in this world.

  17. hyena hyena 12 April 2013

    Only an idiot will make up his/her mind just because someone said so!homophobia is been there since long ago,even the” rebel king” of the zulus didn’t have a known spouse!what was he hiding?was he…?guess will never know!shame!

  18. Momma Cyndi Momma Cyndi 12 April 2013

    If being gay is anti-African then why are there words for it in African languages that have nothing to do with the English versions?

  19. Mr. Direct Mr. Direct 12 April 2013

    If you find a person that makes you happy, and you want to spend the rest of your days with them, then fantastic, meaning of live and all that.

    In my version of reality, you only have one chance at life, so live it and enjoy it.

    If there are people that believe something else, then they are free to make those decisions for themselves and their families.

  20. The Naked Worker The Naked Worker 12 April 2013

    “In many cultures, one of the most commonly held misconceptions about homosexuality is that it was imported from elsewhere, then gradually infiltrated and corrupted its new homeland. The British blamed their homosexuality on their Norman conquerors (from France). The French blamed the Italians, Bulgarians and North Africans. The Italians say it was the Bulgarians and North Africans who brought it to Italy. The Bulgarians say it was the Albanians and the Albanians say it was the Turks.

    So it comes as no surprise that Africans play homosexuality hot potato too. The eastern Bantu blame the Nubians. The Sudanese blame the Turks. And many Africans declare that homosexuality is a foreign practice, introduced by the decadent bourgeoisie West”
    http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/06/01/did-homosexuality-exist-in-traditional-african-societies/#.UWhIUbVTDiV

  21. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 12 April 2013

    If Zuma i going to imitate the Zulu King then he needs to remember why the Zulu King had multiple wives in the first place. The King did not chose a girl who took his fancy at the reed dance ceremony – that was myth. The King’s wives were well chosen in advance of the ceremony so that he married a girl from each of the major clans and produced children of all the clan bloodlines. And they were chosen for their abilities and intelligence and family connections, not for their looks.

    So if Zuma wants to “Unite The Clans” like the Zulu King he needs a wife from each of the tribes – a Zulu wife, a Xhosa wife, a Venda wife, a Pedi wife, a Sotho wife, a Griqua wife, an Indian wife, a Cape Malay wife, a Khoi descendent wife, a San descendent wife, an English speaking white wife, and Afrikaans speaking white wife, and a wife from all the other smaller clans as well.

    Zuma appears to have got the formula wrong.

  22. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 13 April 2013

    There is no such real meaning to the idea of African or un-African anyhow. There are about 3000 different tribes in Africa, and about 1000 different languages.

    The culture of the Taureg is different to the Dogon, or the Berber, or the Pygmies, or the Bushmen, or the Khoi, or the San, or the Hereros, or the Zulus, or the Basuto, or the Xhosa, or the Lao – and those are just some of the Sub Saharan African tribes.

    Mediterranean Arab Colonised Africa is equally different – the culture of Morocco is different to the culture of Egypt.

    The idea of African or un-African developed, together with a mythical Pan Africa, in Black America among the descendants of slaves brought to America from the 17th to 19th century.

    Tony Leon wrote in his autobiography that Thabo Mbeki only listened to “the voices in his head”, but if you read a book of Mbeki’s speeches, and read the footnotes, like I did, you will see that most of his statements about White opinions of Blacks which so confused Parliament were almost all quotations from Black American authors – not from “voices in his head” at all.

    Even “I Am An African” is actually the title of a book by a Black American – which shows how confused their sense of identity is.

  23. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 13 April 2013

    King Shaka totally broke with the Zulu tradition of the King marrying a wife from each of the clans, and he also broke with tradition by stopping the circumcision ceremonies. Shaka had NO wife, NO girlfriend and NO child.

    The only logical explanation appears, in my opinion, to be that King Shaka was either Gay or Third Sex, like Alexander the Great.

    The reason that Cleopatra and her line of pharoahs descended from one of Alexander the Great’s Generals and not Alexander himself was that Alexander was a homosexual who took his male lover with him on all his campaigns.

    So when Mandela in “Long Walk to Freedom” explains to the prisoners after watching the film “Cleopatra” that the actress should have been a Black Queen, it becomes obvious that Mandela himself had absorbed this Black American mythology.

    Cleopatra, and her line of pharoahs, married brother to sister to keep the bloodline pure. She did not even have native blood from Brown Egyptian natives, certainly not any Sub Saharan Black bloodline. This was long before Arab colonisation of North Africa and the Arab Slave Trade.

  24. Comrade Koos Comrade Koos 13 April 2013

    Has anyone read “Myth of Iron; Shaka in History” by Dan Wylie?

    Maybe Lyndall, as someone who gives the impression they to know more about Zulu and African history than most, you should read it.

  25. The Naked Worker The Naked Worker 13 April 2013

    @Lyndall Beddy

    Seldom have I heard so much nonsense as you trot out.

  26. Simon Chilembo Simon Chilembo 14 April 2013

    Freedom opens our minds, exposing us to new areas of knowledge and experience, arousing (literally!), as well as satisfying our curiosity about various aspects of our lives and existence. Freedom also allows us to define for ourselves the parameters of our wisdom extents, including potential for individual and collective/ national growth. Whether or not same-sex sexual love is African or non-African, genuinely free South Africans, and all genuinely free people of the world for that matter, must just get used to the idea that gay love is here to stay. I am heterosexual. But I will fight for the right of my gay brothers, sisters, friends, as well as children, to live as free and happy men and women in a free world that values and respects human dignity; that as a strongly-held Human Rights principle. Read more: http://chilembowarriormoves.com/2013/04/05/ijooo-so-your-children-will-be-gay/

  27. Odingga Ogingga Di-Odinga Odingga Ogingga Di-Odinga 14 April 2013

    I would like the writer to answer this : where does he get that Shaka mom was never married and zulu’s are illegitimate? I would be grateful if the writer can respond to this ; because this will help understand legitimacy in African or Zulu culture then!

  28. Odingga Ogingga Di-Odinga Odingga Ogingga Di-Odinga 14 April 2013

    Lyndal B: aka Letpeoplespeak!!! You are stil here 8 yrs on still dishing the same line on African history huh?? Tell us about European incest for a change – especially those who were explorers who settled in Africa and Asia and the Americas

  29. Odingga Ogingga Di-Odinga Odingga Ogingga Di-Odinga 14 April 2013

    Mr Cibane – I see you also think the Zulu language is static or homogeneous!!! What is wrong with “fusegani”? People in Durban speak different from people in Jozi and in Ulundi and in Piet retif and new castle and in Richards bay and in mkuze and stanger. Needless to say that they are all Zulus speaking isiZulu

  30. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 14 April 2013

    Odinga

    How do you know I was ever part of Letpeoplespeak? Where does incest come into my comments?

    Komrad Koos

    My facts about Zulu tradition and History are known by all Historians who have studied AFRICAN History as opposed to AFRICAN AMERICAN Mythology.

    Zulu is only ONE of about 500 languages which ALL derive from a common language called by linguists Ur-Bantu, and they are about half of Africa’s 1000 languages. THAT I studied at University and got a First!

    That Shaka had no wife or child or girlfriend and stopped the circumcision rituals is known fact to everyone including the Zulus. My interpretation of the facts is obviously my own opinion.

  31. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 14 April 2013

    There is no such thing as African or un-African. There never was any country or tribe or nation called Africa. Everyone born in Africa is African; everyone born in Europe is European; everyone born in Asia is Asian – and there was never any country or nation called Europe or Asia or Africa.

    There is no country that is also a continent, except Australia. Egyptians would have a fit at being called Moroccans, and both would freak at being equated to Sub Saharan African countries. There might be a country called America but it does not even cover the whole continent of North America – ask the Mexicans or the Canadians who spend all their time when travelling telling everyone they are NOT Americans.

    Obama is an American not an African because he was born of an American mother in an American State. had he been born in his father’s country he would have been Kenyan and not eligible to be President of the USA.

    Any Black American who is born in the USA and whose parents are born in the USA is American NOT African!

    South Africans never identified as “Africans” before the ANC brought in the concept of Pan Arab Africanism – but they identified as Zulu, or Xhosa, or Griqua, or Afrikaner, or British South Africans!

  32. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 15 April 2013

    Odingga

    South African Apartheid was a seperation of cultures and tribes to stop the Tribal Wars not a seperation of only 2 races like American White/Black segregation.

    The White Homeland of South Africa had Whites only facilities, but the Black Homelands did not have Black Only facilities – they were Zulu only, or Xhosa only, or Swazi only, or Sotho only, or Twane only and they STILL ARE ONE TRIBE ONLY despite the ANC undertaking since its inception to dismantle Tribalism.

    This seperation was also in the mine hostels and townships like Soweto which were Xhosa only or Zulu only – NOT Black only!

  33. Cde Fanny Mabuso Cde Fanny Mabuso 15 April 2013

    “Same sex marriage is a disgrace to the nation and to God. When I was growing up, ‘ungqingili’ [homosexuals in isiZulu] could not stand in front of me, I would knock him out.” – quote President Jacob Zuma.

  34. Magiloo Magiloo 15 April 2013

    King Zwelithini has to make traditional comments regardless of the constitutional standing because he is not a constitutional leader but a traditional leader. The same applies to the newlyweds. They should have made a constitutional wedding not a traditional wedding because tradition does not allow but constitution allows.

  35. Sharon K Sharon K 15 April 2013

    In isiZulu the word ‘Inkonkoni’ refers to gay men. Istabani is as modern as the word fag, which depending on why, when and to whom you say them to might land you in hot water. Your post is very interesting and thank you for sharing your views.

  36. fag hag fag hag 15 April 2013

    Homophobia is not a phobia people are just ignorant ass***** its time we as a nation stop judging people for being themselves and focus on helping and healing our ill minded South African STRAIGHT MALES who find pleasure in raping two year olds!!

  37. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 16 April 2013

    Magiloo

    As far as the IFP is concerned the Zulu King is the real Head of their party, and much more than just a traditional leader. Did you not hear them on TV on the question of the Shell House massacre of the IFP “supporters of the King” who were massacred by the ANC?

  38. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 16 April 2013

    Kpmraad Kpps

    I have not read “Myth of Iron; Shaka in History” by Dan Wylie, but if it says that the Zulus smelted iron, it is another Black American myth.

    None of the Bantu knew how to smelt metal. They did pan gold for Indian traders before Arab colonisation, and the Indians paid them in Cattle, beads and cloth, but when the Whites arrived the Bantu Tribes only had hand held wooden hoes, no spades, which were only used by the women.

    King Shaka did have iron melted down for him to form the iron metal tips for assegaais by the Amalungu Tribe (the White Tribe) of shipwreck survivors, who despite being called White by the Zulus, were more likely Indians. They most likely used iron salvaged from the shipwreck cannons and other implements.

    This is well recorded by the early European explorers and hunters, who fascinated Shaka, and whom he befriended and insisted that they write down the History of the Zulus.

    King Shaka never attacked or killed any Whites – he wanted to learn as much as he could from them about foreign cultures and knowledge. It was Shaka’s successor, his half brother and assassin, Dingaan, who started the wars against the Whites.

  39. SIYABONGA SIYABONGA 16 April 2013

    nonsense this traditional gay

  40. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 17 April 2013

    Komrad Koos

    Look up “Zulu Kings” on the Internet – Wikipedia has a list of all of them showing their official portraits.

    You will see that the first and second Zulu Kings, Shaka and Dingaan, were not succeeded by sons but both succeeded by their half brother Mpande, the third Zulu King.

    In the official portraits all the Kings are wearing the traditional skimpy loincloth, except only Shaka who wears an outfit which looks more like a Scotsman’s kilt.

  41. Sipho Sipho 17 April 2013

    @Lyndall Beddy
    So according to your history lesson where did Senzangakhona, the Ndwandwes, Mthethwa’s get their spears. I just don’t get it, why the desperation to prove that white people or “likely indians” melted irons for amaZulu. As far as I’m aware not every white person can melt iron, possibly including you Lyndall.

  42. Momma Cyndi Momma Cyndi 17 April 2013

    Lyndall Beddy

    From what I remember from the old tales, uShaka killed off all of his sons at birth (a relatively common occurrence world wide at that time) to prevent them from usurping him. Same reason the great Mzilikhazi left – it was a dangerous time to be next in line for the throne those days

  43. Comrade Koos Comrade Koos 18 April 2013

    @Lyndall

    “None of the Bantu knew how to smelt metal.”

    “The widespread use of iron revolutionized the Bantu-speaking farming communities who adopted it, driving out and absorbing the rock tool using hunter-gatherer societies they encountered as they expanded to farm wider areas of savannah. The technologically superior Bantu-speakers spread across southern Africa and became wealthy and powerful, producing iron for tools and weapons in large, industrial quantities.[44]”

    [44] ^ a b Duncan E. Miller and N.J. Van Der Merwe, ‘Early Metal Working in Sub Saharan Africa’ Journal of African History 35 (1994) 1–36; Minze Stuiver and N.J. Van Der Merwe, ‘Radiocarbon Chronology of the Iron Age in Sub-Saharan Africa’ Current Anthropology 1968.”

  44. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 3 May 2013

    @ Sipho and Komraad Koos

    All Sub Saharan Blacks are not Bantu in the first place, AND you have to write about what existed BEFORE Arab Colonisation in the North, where Kingdoms did develop and get rich from the slave trade by selling slaves to Arab traders using Arab supplied weapons and technology. Arab colonisation of Sub Saharan Africa started in the 9th century.

    In Southern Africa, however, there was no Arab penetration below the tsetse fly belt, and the amalungu tribe of shipwreck survivors who made the tips for Shaka’s spears are well recorded historically, and also recorded as the first time they had been used by the Zulus. The Gold relics of pan mining were Indian, and there are also signs of Chinese artifacts and traders on the East Coast.

  45. Miss O Miss O 4 May 2013

    Besides, it’s his choice to marry whoever he chooses. Why should he be forced to diversify his harem? How would he even be intimate with someone he’s not attracted to? Also, African men are notoriously ageist. If his wives had to pick, they might choose for him an old old woman he wouldn’t touch with a barge-pole, no matter what her race.

  46. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 4 May 2013

    Miss o

    Actually it is not Zulu culture for the man to be able to marry whomever he chooses. Like marriages in all the aristocracies, marriage is between families.A Zulu man who wishes to marry a second or third or forth wive needs permission from all existing wives’ families to do so.

  47. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 5 May 2013

    Both Mandela’s Ubuntu theories, and the Pan Africanist theories developed in the American Black Diaspora to increase the self image of Blacks had the opposite effect.

    Both were infiltrated by Arab African Nationalists and Jihadists. So Blacks were taught they were all one tribe and one people, who had had developed Kingdoms in North Africa before the Whites arrived, BUT they were also taught that these Kingdoms and cities developed from the trade in Black Slaves and “selling their own people”. EVEN the Economic Historian Naill Ferguson repeats this myth. The result is horrific. I have heard an American History professor, interviewed on SAFM Morning Live, say that when Black Americans get taught real history at tertiary level they mostly have to have trauma counselling when they learn it was Black Traders that sold Black Slaves.

    This is NOT true. Like the British and American Empires exploited the cheap labour and raw materials of their Empire, the Arab traders exploited Blacks to build up their Slave Trading Empire. SOME tribes were armed by Arabs to catch slaves from OTHER tribes who were their enemies anyhow and NOT the same people. In all of history neighbour has been the enemy of neighbour – look at the French, British and Germans and their history.

    Which is why the 11th commandment of Jesus Christ is:

    “Love thy NEIGHBOUR as thyself”

    The only time there of peace in Africa between tribes was the brief period of British/French colonialism

  48. Lyndall Beddy Lyndall Beddy 5 May 2013

    In the British/French Colonial period, between the Arab Slave Trade and the Cold War, tribal wars were prevented and neighbour did communicate with neighbour.

    Which is when the drums rolled messages across Africa faster than the Telecommunication network, because each tribe could communicate with its neighbour.

    Which I see signs of happening again, at least in parts of Africa. The book “Africa Trek” is by a French couple who walked from Cape Town to Cairo, and were passed most of the way in South Africa from neighbour to neighbour. Marne and his dog Tripod, walking from Cape Town to Pretoria, who stayed a night with us, is also being passed from neighbour to neighbour.

  49. Ropa Mukundi Ropa Mukundi 30 May 2013

    Quote ”The newlyweds are Tshepo Cameron Sithole-Modisane and Thoba Calvin Sithole-Modisane. The Sithole-Modisanes are not your “ordinary” young, black males (I note the stereotype). According to their blog Tshepo holds a master of commerce degree and is a PhD candidate at the University of Johannesburg. He is a certified auditor based in Sandton. Thoba holds a BSc in computer science from the University of KwaZulu-Natal and is a systems engineer, also based in Sandton.”

    Just because the 2 are highly educated does not translate to being right. Formal education while good should not and can not translate to wisdom. Has it occurred to the enlightened, that the ”unenlightened/ uneducated/achaic mindsets” are also entitled to our way of thinking, living, simply put, it is very normal and definitely not backward,NOT ACCEPTING HOMOSEXUALITY.To us the commons, the gay ceremony they held was not a ‘wedding’ and definitely ‘NOT ZULU’ not matter how hard you try to force it on our throats!
    Why should we be forced to accept gays, if they accept themselves, fine, let them be, we will never accept them. Not accepting is not a phobia but a choice!

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