Dion Chang
Dion Chang

To BEE or not to BEE?

The brouhaha surrounding the Pretoria High Court’s ruling to reclassify South African-born Chinese (pre-1994) as coloured is turning into a “broken telephone” message — ironically, also known as a “Chinese whisper”.

When viewed from outside the country, the issue would seem quite farcical, if only it were not so tragic.

The nitpicking and mud-slinging that has emerged in the wake of this ruling boggles the mind. Even the honorable Labour Minister, Membathisi Mdladlana (of all people), displayed an eyebrow-raising grasp of the ruling and context of the Chinese community’s court application. As Patrick Chong — chairman of Casa — responded, the minister not only missed the point, but also missed this community completely.

The high court ruling applies to a tiny community of about 10 000 people. Recent immigrants, who have created areas like the Chinatown in Cyrildene, Johannesburg, are excluded from this ruling, but this fact just doesn’t seem to sink in.

Of those 10 000 born-and-bred South African citizens, a small percentage will now be appraised — along with other historically disadvantaged groups — when applying for jobs. In terms of affirmative action, South African Chinese are now allowed to join the queue, but know in their heart of hearts that such a tiny minority group will never really find themselves anywhere near the front of the queue.

So what’s the fuss all about?

The main objections are two-pronged, but converge in a rather chilling and ominous path.

Firstly, there’s the consortium of black business groups that has vowed to fight this ruling. They somehow assume that lucrative BEE deals are now going to be snapped up by this small community. This is rather telling.

It’s a knee-jerk reaction to guard jealously the right of admission on to the BEE bullet train on which they have been riding. The posturing and finger wagging has taken the Chinese community by surprise, as this was not the reason they embarked on this eight-year journey in the first place. Then one reads Dupree Vilakazi (president of the Black Business Caucus) ranting that: “If Chinese are now part of the BEE deal, then Jews, who were also victimised during the apartheid era, should automatically qualify for these benefits.”

Did I mention a broken telephone? The static on the line must be dreadful.

But besides another eye-raising interpretation of this ruling, the fact that religious or cultural groups are being dragged into this debate indicates that we have started skating on thin ice.

Hold that thought.

The other voice of dissent, and one that has received the message on a particularly bad line, is the man in the street. There is an even broader misconception that Chinese people are now going to “take our jobs away” — a phrase that sounds horribly familiar. With the repercussions of xenophobic stereotyping still fresh in the memory, that belief is cause for grave concern.

In this week’s Mail & Guardian, a spaza shop owner was quoted as saying that “allowing them access to BEE deals and all that is unfair to blacks. As it stands, it is hard for us to access these deals.” And therein lies the problem.

The golden goose that is black economic empowerment has yet to reach and empower the people it was designed to help. There are already suggestions from certain quarters — notably from people like Mamphela Ramphele — that empowerment procedures need to be reassessed, as the benefits are not filtering down to the masses. So we have the new elite outraged that they (might) need to be a bit more welcoming, and the yet-to-be-empowered masses outraged that the Chinese are now going to cut the queue and add to their frustrations.

In both cases, the simmering racism and xenophobia are gift-wrapped in the argument that this Chinese community did not fight against apartheid or was not affected by it.

On a personal note, I have a great-grandfather buried in Brixton cemetery. My father grew up in Sophiatown, from which his family was forcibly removed in 1955. They were relocated to the “coloured” township of Lady Selbourne in Pretoria. So the Chinese community was subject to apartheid laws such as the Immorality Act and Group Areas Act.

When we found ourselves in the twilight zone of “honorary white” status (a label bestowed on the Japanese, not Chinese — but we all look alike anyway), we were still subjected to exquisite forms of humiliation.

Imagine trying to rent a flat. You find one, but there’s a condition. The flat’s yours … as long as no one in the building minds. So, to get the flat, you’d have to knock on every door in the building to ask if anyone minded Chinese people moving into the building. If one person objected to “the Chinks”, the application would be rejected.

What has not been brought to light is the fact that the Chinese community’s involvement in the political landscape in this country stretches as far back as 1906. Indian and Chinese communities joined forces to oppose the Asiatic Amendment Act. The Transvaal Chinese Association worked together with none other than Mahatma Gandhi to fight against an unjust system.

One hundred years later, the same Chinese community finds itself in the very same position. History does indeed repeat itself.

As for direct involvement with the ANC, in 1952 when the organisation launched its defiance campaign — a national civil disobedience drive defying apartheid laws — the ANC approached the Chinese community for support, and received it. A community elder, Stanley Man, even met the then ANC Youth League president, Nelson Mandela, and made donations to the organisation. As we’ve seen with the recent xenophobic attacks, historical support for the liberation movement is reciprocated in the strangest ways.

How is it that 14 years into democracy, we find ourselves bickering and splitting hairs about racial classification yet again? It is exactly what made apartheid such a despised system. This ruling and the venom that is being spewed show our true colours as a society.

What does this say about our levels of tolerance and, more importantly, our acceptance and respect for difference in South Africa?

That is the question.

  • http://james.tangrengmail.com james tangren

    I am no racist. Please don’t make me one!
    – A protest to the South Africa Broadcasting Corporation (SABC)

    Boasting to have the “finest” constitution in the world and the worldwide revered liberation icon Mr. Nelson Mandela, South Africans, especially the blacks, are not a horde to shy away from praising themselves a so-called “nonracial” “rainbow nation” of “democracy” and “freedom”. But from an outsider – living here for the last thirteen years and in whose upbringing modesty is deemed the virtue of man and hence the nation –’s point of view the truth on the ground could not be further from the claim.
    From the recent nationwide grassroots’ xenophobia attacks of foreign nationals to the Labor Minister Membathisi Mdladlana and spokespersons for the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) and the National Council of Trade Unions (Nactu)’s strong stance against the Pretoria High Court’s ruling to declare that ethnically Chinese South Africans, who qualified for citizenship before 1993, qualify for benefits in terms of the 1999 Employment Equity Act and the 2004 Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment Act which have defined “black people” as a generic term for “Africans, coloureds and Indians” but failed to specifically mention Chinese, who under apartheid were classed as coloured, and not to mention the infamous kill-for-Zuma public speeches made by Mr. “President” of the ANC Youth League and Mr. “Secretary general” of the COSATU, have painted a, naked, ugly, picture of a nation far from being nonracial, democratic, and “free”. Did I forget to mention the crime situation?
    Don’t lie to me, South Africa!
    You have inherited, and more so – learned, all the vices but none of the good from your ex colonial maters and wasted no time to put them into practice. You are arrogant when pointing fingers to your neighbors for being unkind and undemocratic to their people, and shameless considering the barbaric xenophobia attacks on innocent foreign nationals, brutality of crimes against your own, and last but not the least the various veiled and overt hate speeches made by your grassroots leadership as well as the government ministers.
    Let truth be told: you don’t deserve Nelson Mandela – for all you have done is against what he has been standing for; and in this context, your constitution is nothing but a piece of scrap paper. So far as I see you as a nation have not had much to be proud of.
    Now, let’s talk a little about the SABC – its MorningLive programs, and the prime time News.

    Immediately after the High Court’s ruling on the predicament of the ethnical South African Chinese the anchor, who is now on her maternity leave, and her successor of the MorningLive wasted no time to let their thinly veiled dissatisfaction be known to the public by selecting only the in-coming letters spewing out sentimental statements against the ruling. By doing so they have let their standpoint well read by anyone who had the misfortune to watch their shows.
    As the official mouthpiece of the nation, particularly as a propaganda machine (please don’t further kid me, denying such disposition that is associated with national broadcasters anywhere in the world!), the insinuation of those individuals’ conduct can only be interpreted as well-thought-through and deep-intentioned.

    In the west, which most of the South Africans – especially the intellectual type always try to look up to, insinuation of the media has become the single most powerful and well-used weapon under the protection of the “freedom of speech” act for the well-positioned few to send their messages, be it xenophobia or other hidden political agendas and in this case a racist opinion, through to the willing public in the hope to ignite emotional and physical reaction to the fine tune of their own ideologies. What has happened in the SABC’s MorningLive program is a blatant display of ignorance of the history and racial-motivated injustice, equivalent to the notorious refutation of massacre endured by the Jewish people in the World War Two.

    Shame on you, MorningLive!

    Then there is this Monday evening primetime program – “One Year in Tibet”, with the local prologue started as, “Has the Chinese suppressed the Tibetans…”

    What a, pre-concluded, rather statement-like, question! Of course – Yes! Why bother ask?

    Because what followed is a, well-orchestrated, masterfully edited, sentimentally charged, and romantically flaunted, “documentary” insinuation! Have I said ‘insinuation’? Again!?

    I am sorry to say the amount of anti-China and -Chinese sentiment of the “documentary” can only be matched by the level of mistranslation (put it mildly) of the dialogues, ignorance of the history, distortion of the facts, omission of the historical comparison of the past and present of Tibet in which the film was made. The monologue in the picture has abundantly showcased the western fear and bias towards the renaissance of the Chinese nation. Put such SABC broadcasting of this “documentary” into the context of the still very fresh memories of the sudden outburst of the Tibet riot and the ensuing Olympic Torch Relay protest saga in Paris, London, and San Francisco, the linkage between them was not hard to find.

    I cannot help but ask: what are you up to, SABC?

    While your western master controlled major news agencies have apologized – be it half-hearted, forced or thinly veiled – for the lies and distorted reports about their unsavory deeds in the anti-China rhetoric drive, has SABC ever reflected the way it copycatted the action by the predominant propaganda mouthpieces of the ex colonial masters? Though having rid off apartheid government and old colonial institutions, you are still a herd mentally colonized by your ex masters.

    By the way you seem to have forgotten that China was one of the very few countries in the world overtly supported both theoretically and physically anti-colonialism on the continent as well as the anti-apartheid struggle in South Africa since day one while most western countries, led by the US of A, and your ex-colonial masters took ANC as a terrorist organization. And only 14 years after the democracy prevailed in this country has United States government officially delisted Mr. Mandela and his comrades from that list. What a shame!

    Though it is highly against my intelligence, I still hope those incidents are just a case of “individual misjudgments” and not a demonstration of the collective “wisdom” of the whole SABC as a state institution. If so, I want to see the correction to these outrageous conducts.

    If not, shame on you, SABC! In the forthcoming Beijing Olympic games your representatives on the ground probably will not find too many friendly Chinese faces.

    By the way, the following facts (mind you: FACTS) are merely for your perusal in case you don’t know about China; and I will try not to use too many adjective therefore:

    China, the third largest country (proximately 960 millions square meters – seas not included) and the most populous nation (over 1.3 billion people) in the world the Year 2008 is actually the Year 4 705 – according to Chinese calendar;
    The recorded written history of China is over 5000 years;
    Chinese learned to write 6000 years ago;
    Chinese writing was formalized 206-220 BC;
    Those were the ages the ancestors of your ex colonial masters were still dwelling in wilds and caves as such;

    The first Chinese literature achievement with historical proportion dated back to 221BC;
    China is the country of poem – the achievement of her poets, together with the artists in various other fields such as painting, calligraphy, architecture, etc., has no surpass by any nation in the world, considering its volume, time span, and the overall influence to human civilization in general;
    So too is Chinese philosophy, which includes Confuciusism, Taoism, and many others;
    So too is Chinese warcraft that dates back to 2500 years ago, worldwide revered today;
    So too is Chinese medicine, systemized over 1000 years ago long before western medicine took any shape, and still flourishing today, well beyond the boundary of China;

    Chinese invented, among countless other things, the gunpowder, paper, printing system, and seafaring compass, which become the cornerstones of the modern world;

    Today, China has the fastest-growing economy (9.7% rate annually since the 1970s);
    the top ranking in high-tech competitiveness; $1.53 trillion in foreign exchange reserves, about $500 billion more than Japan, the next largest holder; produces more clothing, cement, gold and steel than any other country; 2.4 million university graduates in 2006, more than the U.S., Japan and France combined; alleviated within 20 years more than 300 million people from abject poverty, equivalent to 75% of the world total…

    Promise, I can go on and on like this, without bringing in the prospect of the foreseeable future. But no, I need not to – because my point is up to now made clear:

    As a Chinese (thank God I am not an ethnic South African Chinese and don’t have to take the crab from anyone with paranoia syndrome and self-ingrained racial inferior complexion!) I have a lot to be proud of. Nonetheless, I am not a racist. And please, SABC and the people alike, don’t make me one.

  • http://letpeoplespeak.amagama.com Lyndall Beddy

    Dion

    The Chinese South Africans have done a great service to democracy. They have exposed the underbelly and the greed of the ANC Africanist elite. Also, they have annoyed China, supposedly their allies. No longer! How is the ANC going to play China against the West now?

    I have read and listened to the rubbish written and spoken by Africanists like Nafcoc with disbelief. They apparently were also vocal AGAINST Somali shops being allowed in the townships. I wonder with what consequences?

    I think we need to redivine disadvantaged. All the ANC elite who were in exile should be excluded. They were financially supported by the West. ONLY people who were in the country and their descendents should quailify. From what I have read about the life of the exiles like Mbeki, they had a much easier time than I had – or any of us living here.

  • owen

    It is quite nice being a white male, I now where I stand in SA and so can plan accordingly. No ifs buts or maybes for me. If I don’t have money I am not welcome.

  • Stevie Wonder

    The Question! The Answer – I dont think anyone particulary cares, especially not the previously disadvantaged, there are enough mouths at the trough – get real, have you not just thrown up the mirror on what a confused, muddled and angry state South Africa is, and your seeking clarity or at a minimun asking to be recognised as a victim of history. Get back to thinking outside the box, you may find some sanity there!

  • bleeding heart

    my heart bleeds for all ….

  • Alisdair Budd

    Ni Hao Ma?

    About time that someone re-wrote sa history accurately in order to include everyone’s contribution.

    Chinese persons were in SA since at least 1846 and probably 1830 when the groups of bonded labourers were brought in to replace slaves afer slavery was abolished in the British empire. (Most were from India but quite a lot were Chinese and Malay Chinese, especially afer the Opium wars and Hong Kong was transferred to British rule.)

    And the racist stereotype of chinese by Black Business is par for the course. Not quite as bad as the regular pogroms in California and the USA when workers from Imperial China tried to make a living in the Gold Mountain, sometimes imported on unfair bonded labour contracts such as were used in the Hawaiian plantations but still showing a lack of understanding by those claiming to be the victims of racism.

    What really surprises me, as a Western European, is that seventeen years after apartheid, SA is still living by their racial categories, in all walks of life, including politics, and is seemingly unaware that most of the world actually classifies as “coloured.” (not white, not black)

    Let alone that in large parts of the world, (such as central China), there are no Black people and also no White, so the term coloured has no meaning.

    Xie, xie.

  • Siphiwo Qangani with kangaroos

    Okay! now the picture is clear…I thought the whole BEE saga was open even to those who cannot say ‘dankie’ or speak any SA language, who opens shops shops in every corner & sell inferior products to SA community.

  • BenzoL

    Chinese have a reputation of hard working and clever business people. The current BEE profiteers don’t need this kind of competition. They might just loose their prime spot on the gravy train. Luckily, I have met many a hard working and clever BEE person who does not like the system either. But….”I might as well use it while it is around” they say. I cannot blame them. So, mr Chang, you do the same but don’t get caught in the xenophobic crossfire. As a previously “not so advantaged” and currently “disadvantaged”, I wish you and your community well.

  • Sammy

    It pains me to realise just how insecure this country’s black business “leadership” is.
    Goodness! It’s time for them to grow up and spend their energies building the countries economy, not bickering over this BEE matter, which affects so few people.
    Does the need for them to be over protective of their BEE advantages stem from their underlying lack of confidence in their abilities to succeed without the BEE crutch?

  • Nqina Dlamini

    Thanks Mr Chang for this blog. I learned new things, like the fact that the Chinese community supported the ANCYL during the struggle (and the Gandhi connection). It is through interactions like these that we learn and understand each other and finally hopefully grow and accept each other. Most people are lashing out from a lack of understanding, to them Chinese getting on the BEE train is a big concern, they start imagining hordes of Chinese people cutting the line/queue. I’ve always known that the number was less than 100 000 people that qualify. But to most China mean 1.3 Billion souls, so you can understand their concerns. We need more post like yours as they educate and warn us.

  • Perry Curling-Hope

    Racism is only deplorable when you’re on the receiving end.
    Unfair discrimination is only such when it adversely affects you.

    When the tables are turned, suddenly the same practices can be applied to others in perceived vindication and soaked in self righteous justification.

    BEE makes no sense without a Population Registration act, one of the more odious human rights abuses the liberation movement cited as justification for the apartheid regime having to go.
    Now the ANC espouses rhetoric about championing racial equality (oh sorry, ‘equity’) in contrast to the ‘abhorrent’ regime of the past while practicing the same thing because it suits them.

    Racially based ‘Job Reservation’ was enacted as a state welfare strategy to uplift persons perceived to be at some previous disadvantage. The liberation movement considered this a breach of human rights by an unjust regime.

    Now we must accept racially based ‘Affirmative Action’ as being moral, just and necessary, because it suits the new regime which has switched racial support base.

    This transparent hypocrisy is only bought into by those who stand to benefit from it.
    A spade by any other name is still a spade

  • Odette

    An excellent post Dion. What a pity that some of the comments still reflect entrenched ignorance and prejudice.

    Keep writing and keep shedding light on the SA Chinese community – knowledge gives us the power of informed opinions.

  • vicki badenhorst

    This is a very well-written, well-argued article. Congratulations to Dion Chang.

    To quote a line I read recently on SACanada.org, “…use soft words, but hard arguments…”

  • http://www.thoughtleader.co.za Musa

    Great post.

  • Finger pointer

    The political leaders in this country are all ignorant, hence saying things like ‘HIV doesn’t cause AIDS’ and ‘we will kill for Zuma’. So I guess one has to contextualise their comments.

    I am a headhunter in the financial services sector and know what it takes to be considered EE – believe me, I deal with it all day. Zimbabweans coming into SA can’t take jobs earmarked for EE candidates because they don’t meet the legal criteria, i.e. RSA citizenship pre-1994. The small number of ‘Chinese’ in question do because they were either born here or came to SA pre-1994 and therefore qualify, much like people with dark skin who moved here from Zim / Namibia / Botswana in the early 90’s.

    The ‘Chinese’ have a case and well done to them. If anyonme is to complain about the influx of Zimbabweans and foreign nationals into SA, it should be white South Africans, simply because the whites and Zimbabweans are all applying for the same rare non-EE vacancies available. But I don’t hear my white job candidates moan about this. They just moan about crime really.

    Something to remember, based on my experience in this industry, is that blacks in SA can be racist and nobody must believe otherwise. I have been told by learned black professionals that they can’t be racist because blacks don’t know such things and they’re a mojority, therefore apparently eliminating the need to be racist (doesn’t make sense to me).

    As I said, I have to ‘deal’ with and in race every day, being in recruitment, and I am sick of it. When things are based on race, it brings out the worst in everybody – my clients, my candidates, everyone. I, nor my clients, have no time for whites or foreign nationals and only answer calls and emails from ACI’s (Africans, Coloureds and Indians – in that order…nice hey).

  • Finger pointer

    Oh, I forgot…I look forward to adding an extra ‘C’ to the list ‘ACI’ in time to come. Well done again, great victory for your community!

  • http://mandrake.amagama.com Mandrake

    Ignorence will be the downfall of us all. Selective hearing and ignorance seems to be a bad inheritence for SA govt/business/politicians.

    Good post

  • http://capetownnews.co.za/ Richard Catto

    It’s really quite ironic that The New South Africa is still engaging in the not so subtle “art” of deciding what race group a person belongs to.

    I thought we were supposed to have put all that nonsense behind us?

    I suppose the elephant in the room that so many wish to avoid addressing is that any system which relies on racial classifications to function brings us straight back to the ridiculousness of Apartheid.

    And so here we sit again, not knowing how to address past inequalities without using the discredited tools of racial classification.

    I would love to know how to fix this, because I have no idea.

  • http://democapitalist.blat.co.za/ Democratic Capitalist

    This is a seriously good post.

    Well done Dion. Brilliantly written with good factual stuff to back it up.

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  • Southeaster

    When I was first in SA I remember being appalled by the number of ‘joke chinamen’ on local TV adverts. They just kept cropping up in what was then supposed to be the nation that exemplified tolerance and ethnic diversity.

    Black people were portrayed as warm-hearted sophisticates, white people amiable buffoons, but chinese people were always moronic figures of fun to be laughed at. I remember being appalled at the blatant racism. This was around 1996-2000.

    I gave up on South African TV 5-6 years ago, it was generally too bad. DO they still present these cartoon racial stereotypes?

  • http://www.nickvanderleek.com Nick

    What about CEE instead of just BEE. What is scary is that racism continues to be used in this country to reinforce/promote what people want. It’s obvious that the Chinese community ought to be included as far as possible in commerce, and why not? To do so may well forge even closer ties between SA and China, something to be encouraged.

  • Oldfox

    Drum magazine last week had a good article on the Chinese BEE story. A welcome change from the numerous very negative articles.
    “Drum is part of every black South African’s daily life and is currently the sixth largest consumer magazine in Africa.”
    (Drum is owned by Media24 which is owned by Naspers. Naspers has business interests in China!)

  • BenzoL

    @Richard Catto: “I would love to know how to fix this, because I have no idea.”
    Start a movement to call each other “people”. When asked for your “race” on a form, fill in “human”. If enough people start doing this, it might sink in one day. It is called “civil disobedience”.

  • SMS

    As a fellow South African Chinese – THANK YOU!
    I have been so irritated over the last 2 weeks with the idiotic responses, from all quarters, the ruling received!
    Thanks for putting into words so eloquently, the point I have been making with everyone I come into contact with!

  • http://letpeoplespeak.amagama.com Lyndall Beddy

    The trouble is that now ONLY white males are not previously disadvantaged. There are probably about 1 million of them in a population of about 50 million. So how does being previously disadvantaged help – if everyone is?

    The whole racist and Africanist policy of Mbeki has been a disaster – and taken up so much time of government that NO work has been done for 14 years on NEW jobs, NEW industry, and tackling poverty and unemployment. Mbeki’s whole focus has been on revenge. Just like Mugabe.

  • http://capetownnews.co.za/ Richard Catto

    Does this mean that BEE and AA must be considered failed policies because they depend on racially classifying people?

  • ryan411

    Thank u Dion for a well written piece!

    FYI guys, if I am not mistaken, w.r.t. BEE, Patrick Chong advocates education and skills development instead to uplift the masses. Not the current system of entitlement and job reservations that is the status quo now!

    I doubt gov will listen though. What is ironic is that Nafcoc complains that the Chinese S.Africans have done well for themselves (despite Apartheid) therefore Chinese S.Africans should not be considered ‘black’. How about taking a page out of the SA born Chinese book, and listen to us if we are sooo successful that we are deemed a massive threat to BEE opportunities for others?

    They mistakenly seem to think that the majority of us are ‘merchants and traders’. Yeah right, maybe a few decades ago, when Chinese people had no option but to work for themselves to put their children through school, schooling paid for by the community, not state sponsored! Now the younger generation are mostly professionals, so I don’t understand what Nafcoc is getting so worked up about??? Sorry for the rant!

  • http://letpeoplespeak.amagama.com Lyndall Beddy

    I have listened to this topic being spoken about on SAFM. Despite the national broadcaster having pitted them against disgruntled speakers from Nafcoc and other Black Associations, they held their own, explained exactly how they they had been equally discriminated against, AND how they had overcome it.

    What impressed me most was how they educated their children, despite the small size of their community, and the lack of funds, they developed their own small schools and put education first, so that their children were not subjected to Bantu Education.

  • Luddite

    @ Lyndall Beddy

    “The trouble is that now ONLY white males are not previously disadvantaged.” Why is that ‘trouble’? If Apartheid was consciously designed to advance only white males, to the severe detriment to all others. AA, EO, and BBBEE can be considered to be, at worst, fumbling attempts to redress that. I’m a white male and never once been even slightly inconvenienced by these policies.

  • http://letpeoplespeak.amagama.com Lyndall Beddy

    Luddite

    The “trouble” is unrealistic expectations – the “previously disadvantaged” believe that just being designated that will give them an advantage which it can’t. It is numerically impossible.

  • Luddite

    @ Lyndall Beddy

    The only way that would make sense is if you view “advantages” in a minimalist and mutually exclusive sense, which I don’t think is the way the policies are designed

  • http://letpeoplespeak.amagama.com Lyndall Beddy

    Luddite

    Do the electorate understand that?

  • Faceless

    Respect the Law
    — The High Court order on the ruling is signed sealed and delivered for a minority smaller than 0,02% (ie 2 people in 10000, 1 person in 5000).
    South African Chinese have always been classified as a sub group of Coloured and suffered the same atrocities of apartheid.
    There are no other non-white people that require redress and inclusion under the definition Black.
    After 8 years of seeking clarity, the order finally declares that South African Chinese people fall within the ambit of “Black people” for both the EE and BBBEE laws.
    The respondents, our esteemed Ministers of Labour, Trade & Industry and Justice & Constitutional Development conceded with costs.
    Rightly so, justice is served.
    No appeals can be entertained as the right to appeal by the respondents and only the respondents is past.
    Please respect the Law and do not defile our Constitution where Basic Human Rights are firmly entrenched, the right to Equality and Human Dignity.

  • http://www.nonomofokeng.blat.co.za nono

    Sammy

    I am not sorry to be telling you this, but the few people you are talking about are not a minority. They are the black people that were disadvantaged prior to democracy. Excuse you for your ignorance, incase you are not aware the few people you are talking about they are the larger percentage of the population.
    The few people you are talking about have only had 14 yrs of democracy, not 200 years of freedom.

    Please do think before you starting posting comments. BEE might not be the best strategy at the moment is because we have leaders that are corrupt and do not derserve to be called leaders.
    White people are fighting BEE left hand, right hand and centre why are they doing that if it is not such a threat like you say it is.

    I am not a fan of BEE, but I can understand where the strategies come from. I think you are not aware of the stats on people still living in poverty in SA, maybe because you have always lived your cozy life and you do not know what living in the struggle is. You have never had to roast pumpking seed so you can eat them with porridge, have you?

    Please inform yourself and look at all views before posting anything.

  • http://letpeoplespeak.amagama.com Lyndall Beddy

    Nono

    It is not only white people who are not enamoured with BEE. Moeletsi Mbeki, the president’s brother, has said that it only advantages “those in power” and is likely to be making the poor poorer.

    No wonder he is blacklisted as an analyst on SABC!

  • Xolani

    To Lyndall:

    How sure are you that Mbeki’s brother has been barred from SABC1 would you kindly supply the necessary facts, evidence, support and proof for this.

    You always forget to not think of your opinions as fact. Do not mislead us, the fact that you call black associations such as Nafcoc as “rubbish” is highly disturbing. For once tell us why you think that they are rubbish.

    Stop your scathing attack on Mr. Mbeki’s (the president) educational qualifications. The fact that you think a BA in economics is easy does not make it easy. You are not God and therefore everything you say will be questioned and scrutinized. Stop your racial hatred.

    Ah! My aunt’s child could not find employment in SA after graduation. The ANC hates us whites. That is all nonsense because the very ANC you are talking about has whites as policy makers and drivers.

    So essentially what you are saying is that whites now hate you because of the ANC. This just shows how crude your racism really is. You claim to know the Xhosa language yet you think that “brown” –what-ever that means- people, Zulus and whites should unite against Xhosas.

    You are inciting a Civil War and yet you claim to be prudent. Oh! Please try that with your gardner perhaps he/she will buy it.

  • mjs

    I would love to sue the living daylights out of
    these racists and the goverment which still has
    racists representing them !!!!!

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